We need to end it? How do we do that, exactly? I have no prescriptions, but I can offer a little historical perspective.
The "Christians" (what we today would call the CNs or fundies) were riding high on the hog from the 1730's to the 1920's. They controlled local politics and the social order of the time. The nation's Founders viewed them as a significant enough threat that they were compelled to codify Freedom of (and from) Religion. The Scopes Trial in July 1925 was the fundamentalist peak victory, establishing in civil law that the Bible was the inerrant source of truth and could not be questioned. That is, an "approved" Protestant interpretation of that text could not be questioned. That stricture did not so enforce Catholic or "weirdo" (Unitarian) sources, however. But that's another story.
Pretty close to immediately, their victory turned to sand under their feet. The mocking and hostility the religious fanatics received from the much larger secular society was crushing. It took the fundies a couple of generations at least to recover enough social influence to begin penetrating the White House and elsewhere in the political class.
What they've been doing of late has been to try and rework the legal and political structures of the nation around protecting them from suffering another downfall like that. To make it really stick, they will have to replicate something like what the Taliban has done in Afghanistan. I don't have the imagination to envision what that would have to look like for the United States. But maybe that answers my question for me, that their only viable solution would be to break the country up and take the 'pious' parts and abandon the 'unclean'. No THAT would be some shit, wouldn't it?
If RFKwack Jr., Pete Kegsbreath, and don the con are leaders of the republicans, I do not see any possibility that this 'act' isn't passed. Dems were so freaking weak that the majority of white women voted to make voting more difficult for themselves and millions of others. Dems are already acting like weaklings by supporting trump tariffs 'in some cases'/ Losers like Newsom and Whitmer are sucking up to the fascsits. Welcome to the Handmaid's Tale ladies.
The Case of Mahmoud Kahlil Nazis and protected free speech
The Nazi regime played their foreign policy and antisemitic propaganda cards today in Mahmoud Kahlil's case and got a Louisiana immigration judge to go along with the regime's anti free speech agenda
This ruling will be appealed in New Jersey in federal court on a habeas petition to determine whether Kahlil's detention is unlawful
But the effect of this decision begs the question whether people who protest the Social Security changes or any other protest will lead to what Kahlil is going through right now
The whole point of this is to strike FEAR into the population If they’re coming for immigrants now what will they do to silence the people who protest against the Nazi regime for any reason? This is the Der Fuhrer’s revenge against the American people who would call out his inane dictator policies
Nazis have long been concerned about being silenced and not being able to express their conservative opinions So the diatribes go….being bullied, or the “thought police” are after us, we’re being “victimized” by the press
So there is a Nazi attack on free speech If the Nazis don’t like what you say then it’s not free speech Complete HYPOCRISY
And supposedly they will have the Jewish community to support such hypocrisy in the Kahlil case unless they are willing to stand up to the Nazi regime
Networks should lose their FCC licenses Judges with differing opinions should be impeached Banning news organizations who don’t go along with the Nazi talking points Going after law firms that don’t favor the regime’s propaganda line Students with green cards who protest with differing opinions should be thrown out of the country because “they are agitators who don’t love our country” Universities should lose federal grant money if they dare speak out against the Nazi regime Take over the Kennedy Center for Continuing Arts to even control the art’s free speech and have only shows that are deemed “appropriate”
This can only end at the 2026 voting booth Protest Donate Protest and then Protest some more
Excellent discussion. I knew Christian Nationalism was bad, but the degree of badness is gut-wrenching. It is the Book of Job on steroids. Certainly, wasn't taught this in my Sunday school days nor do I hear it from the pulpit now. I didn't realize it was so "brainwashing" but I should have known.
Years ago, 16 or so, my daughter worked as house manager for an event a local evangelical group held in the auditorium. When the pastor or elder had a question that the house manager would address, he refused to speak with my daughter and demanded the theater manager, her boss, take his question. With my competent daughter standing right there, the church guy asked his question, and the manager directed him to ask my daughter, whose job it was to address the question. She came home quite appalled and told us about the exchange.
We need to end it? How do we do that, exactly? I have no prescriptions, but I can offer a little historical perspective.
The "Christians" (what we today would call the CNs or fundies) were riding high on the hog from the 1730's to the 1920's. They controlled local politics and the social order of the time. The nation's Founders viewed them as a significant enough threat that they were compelled to codify Freedom of (and from) Religion. The Scopes Trial in July 1925 was the fundamentalist peak victory, establishing in civil law that the Bible was the inerrant source of truth and could not be questioned. That is, an "approved" Protestant interpretation of that text could not be questioned. That stricture did not so enforce Catholic or "weirdo" (Unitarian) sources, however. But that's another story.
Pretty close to immediately, their victory turned to sand under their feet. The mocking and hostility the religious fanatics received from the much larger secular society was crushing. It took the fundies a couple of generations at least to recover enough social influence to begin penetrating the White House and elsewhere in the political class.
What they've been doing of late has been to try and rework the legal and political structures of the nation around protecting them from suffering another downfall like that. To make it really stick, they will have to replicate something like what the Taliban has done in Afghanistan. I don't have the imagination to envision what that would have to look like for the United States. But maybe that answers my question for me, that their only viable solution would be to break the country up and take the 'pious' parts and abandon the 'unclean'. No THAT would be some shit, wouldn't it?
Do men have to produce a birth certificate to vote too?
If RFKwack Jr., Pete Kegsbreath, and don the con are leaders of the republicans, I do not see any possibility that this 'act' isn't passed. Dems were so freaking weak that the majority of white women voted to make voting more difficult for themselves and millions of others. Dems are already acting like weaklings by supporting trump tariffs 'in some cases'/ Losers like Newsom and Whitmer are sucking up to the fascsits. Welcome to the Handmaid's Tale ladies.
The Case of Mahmoud Kahlil Nazis and protected free speech
The Nazi regime played their foreign policy and antisemitic propaganda cards today in Mahmoud Kahlil's case and got a Louisiana immigration judge to go along with the regime's anti free speech agenda
This ruling will be appealed in New Jersey in federal court on a habeas petition to determine whether Kahlil's detention is unlawful
But the effect of this decision begs the question whether people who protest the Social Security changes or any other protest will lead to what Kahlil is going through right now
The whole point of this is to strike FEAR into the population If they’re coming for immigrants now what will they do to silence the people who protest against the Nazi regime for any reason? This is the Der Fuhrer’s revenge against the American people who would call out his inane dictator policies
Nazis have long been concerned about being silenced and not being able to express their conservative opinions So the diatribes go….being bullied, or the “thought police” are after us, we’re being “victimized” by the press
So there is a Nazi attack on free speech If the Nazis don’t like what you say then it’s not free speech Complete HYPOCRISY
And supposedly they will have the Jewish community to support such hypocrisy in the Kahlil case unless they are willing to stand up to the Nazi regime
Networks should lose their FCC licenses Judges with differing opinions should be impeached Banning news organizations who don’t go along with the Nazi talking points Going after law firms that don’t favor the regime’s propaganda line Students with green cards who protest with differing opinions should be thrown out of the country because “they are agitators who don’t love our country” Universities should lose federal grant money if they dare speak out against the Nazi regime Take over the Kennedy Center for Continuing Arts to even control the art’s free speech and have only shows that are deemed “appropriate”
This can only end at the 2026 voting booth Protest Donate Protest and then Protest some more
Excellent discussion. I knew Christian Nationalism was bad, but the degree of badness is gut-wrenching. It is the Book of Job on steroids. Certainly, wasn't taught this in my Sunday school days nor do I hear it from the pulpit now. I didn't realize it was so "brainwashing" but I should have known.
Years ago, 16 or so, my daughter worked as house manager for an event a local evangelical group held in the auditorium. When the pastor or elder had a question that the house manager would address, he refused to speak with my daughter and demanded the theater manager, her boss, take his question. With my competent daughter standing right there, the church guy asked his question, and the manager directed him to ask my daughter, whose job it was to address the question. She came home quite appalled and told us about the exchange.
Just like ultra- orthodox Judaism
This is terrifying but explains Mike Johnson so much more clearly to me. 🤬🤬🤬
I was wondering when the radical right-wing Christers would make their first move.